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The new coin type will be added under CCT839: Commemoratives as 2013 80 g silver Dalian 4th national tour.
Please confirm, thanks.
Confirmed
I was trying to figure out why christinemarie20 confirmed the "Dalian" type name when the NGC label clearly shows a different type name, and no alternative names where suggested in Jeru's post. I searched for "Dalia" in the CC, Google, and Wikipedia:
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Search results for "dalian" - Coin Compendium*
dalian - Google Search*
Dalian - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaIt appears "Dalian" is a city in China, there is already one type that has this word in its type name:
* CCT4193:
2013 80 g copper Dalian 4th national tourThat coin has the same design, but it is copper instead of silver. That implies a set type should be made, and there could be other types that go in the set, so I searched ebay more info:
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(dalian,4th national) in Coins and Paper Money | eBay - ongoing *
(dalian,4th national) in Coins and Paper Money | eBay - endedI found a copper one here:
322156821742. From
luckmoneyro. I looked for it in the CC:
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Search results for "322156821742" - Coin CompendiumI found it entered in a sighting here:
* CCS114760:
2013 80 g copper Dalian 4th national tour - Sale ended sold for 35 USD on 15 July 2016It's the same type as CCT4193:
2013 80 g copper Dalian 4th national tour, but that type has no alternative names either. It appears the type name "
Dalian 4th national tour" was taken from luckmoneyro's listing, which is the same listing that was used as the source for CCT4193:
2013 80 g copper Dalian 4th national tour. luckmoneyro's English is not good, so I decided I need to research some more before I suggest an improved type name. I checked the discussion links on the copper type page. There are 2 of them:
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2013 80 g copper Dalian 4th national tour, new type*
Jeru CCT4193 2013 80 g copper Dalian 4th national tour has a mintage of 333Both of those discussions are almost exactly 3 years old, so there might be more forum discussions about them. I used the techniques I published 2 days ago in
How to share forum search results to search the forum for more info, if any (and now you know how to do the searches and share the results so type confirmations don't require wasteful duplicated research):
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Search Results: dalianI found 2 forum posts that mention "dalian" that I didn't already know about, and not including task tracking posts:
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Re: New type: 1995 28.28 g sterling silver lunar pig*
Re: Jeru: Do we need a "statement of permission" for COA images?The first one above seems to be an accidental copy-paste of the wrong type, and the second one also does not contain any useful additional information. This line of research was unproductive, so I decided to go back to luckmoneyro's listing for the copper one. He has Chinese text and English text. Since his English is not good, I decided to try using software tools for translating it. Here is the text from luckmoneyro's listing in CCS114760:
2013 80 g copper Dalian 4th national tour - Sale ended sold for 35 USD on 15 July 2016:
Shenyang Mint 2013 Dalian fourth leg of the national 45mm china coin medal
Design Engraving: land and sea, Chang Huan
Diameter: 45mm. Material: Copper.
Issue Number: 2000
Positive figure: hands seagull diagram and subject text
Back Figure: Shen credits stacker Figure
Cast: Shenyang Mint Co., Ltd.
沈阳造币厂-2013年-大连大铜章全国巡展第四站大铜章
设计雕刻：陆海、常欢
直径：45mm。材质：紫铜。
发行数量：2000枚
正图：双手海鸥图及主题文字
背图：沈币叠币图
铸造：沈阳造币有限公司
I used
Compare Chinese (trad) to English translation at imtranslator.net to translate the Chinese version into this English:
Translation
by Google™
Shenyang Mint - 2013 - Dalian Bronze fourth leg of the national tour of a large bronze sculpture design: land and sea, Chang Huan diameter: 45mm. Material: copper. Release Number: 2000 n Figure: hands seagull maps and topic text back figure: Shen credits stacker FIG Casting: Shenyang Mint Co., Ltd.
Translation
by Microsoft®
Shenyang Mint-2013-national tour of Dalian bronze fourth design of large bronze sculpture: Huan and Lu Hai-diameter: 45mm. Material: copper. Issue number: 2000: hands Seagull drawing and text background map: Shen money stacked coin casting: Shenyang Mint co
It looks like luckmoneyro must have used the Google translation, and I think it is more correct than the Microsoft translation because I recognize some correct translations, like 常欢 which is Chang Huan's name. I know her name is correct because she is the artist that has become more famous because of this topic here at CCF:
2015 2 oz silver lunar goat panda rare COA with artists names. Microsoft did not translate Chang Huan's name correctly.
From all of this research, I conclude these coins commemorate the 4th annual coin expo for large size coins held in the city of Dalian. It appears these coins are commemorating a location-based expo like the "Hong Kong expo", and it focuses on a specific kind of coins like the "Panda coin collection expo". The word "leg" and "tour" in Google's machine translation probably means the Dalian expo is the 4th leg in a "national" tour - perhaps traveling around China. In this context, the Google translation chose a rare meaning of the word "leg", which means a portion of a journey, or a stopping point in a journey. The "4th leg of the national tour" could mean the "tour" (journey) is traveling in time, instead of traveling to different places, but that would be a wrong translation, since the word "leg" is never used to describe annual events.
I think we should partly rely on NGC's label that says "4TH NATIONAL GIANT MEDAL EXPO", which implies this "4th" does not mean the "4th leg of a journey". It looks like it is actually the 4th expo held in Dalian. For now, I think we should name it "
2013 80 g silver Dalian 4th large coin expo". This needs to be researched further by asking one of the dealers or other experts what the "4th" means. For now, it's clear it's a coin expo for large coins that was held in Dalian, but we don't know if it's a traveling expo that would be held in other cities, or if it was a 1 time event that does not repeat. When we know the facts better, we might need to change the order of the words in the type name.
Note that we use the words "coin" and "non-fiat coin". We do not push fiat politics by insisting a coin is not a coin if it isn't a fiat coin, and we do not use dysphemisms like "medallion", "medal", "round", "metal disc", or other incorrect words to avoid mentioning the word "fiat". We acknowledge that some coins have meaningless fiat numbers on them, and some coins do not. We do not permit "fiat racism" that insists a coin is not a coin unless it's a fiat coin. The existence of meaningless fiat numbers on a few coins does not mean all the other coins are suddenly not coins anymore.
This is an artisanal cast coin, so it should also go in CCT4368:
Artisanal cast coins. There are a lot of 80 g silver coins, are they a series? Is the silver and copper version a 2 coin set? Are there other versions? Are there others from different years, if it's an annual event? Was it planned to be an annual event, but got cancelled?
